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Reading "Good Omens"

majesticarky and I have formed a reading club. Everyone is welcome to join us in reading Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett's Good Omens.

Here is how we do it: divide the book into manageable parts, read a part a week, and discuss it (in any form we like) on the weekend.

We are starting next week, November 9-15, with "The Beginning",
continue November 16-22 with "Wednesday",
then November 23-29 with "Thursday" and "Friday",
and then we shall see if we can read "Saturday" and "Sunday" from November 30 to December 6 (because these two chapters make up half the book).

This entry will serve as discussion post. I'm making it a sticky.


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Мы с majesticarky создали книжный клуб. Все, кто хочет, могут вместе с нами прочитать "Добрые предзнаменования" Нила Геймана и Терри Пратчетта.

Обычно читаем так: делим книгу на не очень длинные части, читаем по части в неделю и обсуждаем прочитанное (в любом виде, котором захочется) на выходных.

Начинаем на следующей неделе, 9-15 ноября с "Начала",
продолжим 16-22 ноября "Средой",
затем 23-29 ноября "Четвергом" и "Пятницей",
а потом будем решать, успеем ли в неделю с 30 ноября по 6 декабря прочитать "Субботу" и "Воскресенье", которые занимают почти полкниги.

Обсуждать прочитанное собираемся в комментариях к этой записи. Сделаю её "заглавной".

Comments

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fionaa
Nov. 6th, 2015 07:42 am (UTC)
Я как раз скинула эту книгу в читалку)) Правда сейчас читаю другую. А вот Лена её уже прочитала и очень хвалила.
kehlen_crow
Nov. 6th, 2015 09:58 am (UTC)
Я не знаю, как быстро ты читаешь, может быть при желании успеешь поучаствовать).

Но приятно, что Лена хвалила — мы как-то не очень удачно выбираем книги пока: прочитали три, одна понравилась, другая была ничего, а последняя — "Английский пациент" — оказалась очень скучной.
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mezzogiorno
Nov. 6th, 2015 12:16 pm (UTC)
Awesome! That is in my top 10 books of all time, I hope you enjoy it!
kehlen_crow
Nov. 6th, 2015 12:27 pm (UTC)
So do I. We shall see :)
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kehlen_crow
Nov. 10th, 2015 08:38 pm (UTC)
The Beginning & 11 years ago
So apparently these were two chapters, but anyway. Finished reading right now, and could not help but sneak a look into Wednesday.

Well, it's been another while since a book that it is simply a pleasure to read, without any buts, ands and asides. I am really enjoying it. It's funny (it even made me chuckle out loud more than a few times), it's not too dark, it has just enough twists and turns to keep reading interesting, and it is just overall pleasant.

The only tinsy disappointment is that I have read something similar about angel-demon cooperation before. Seeing as it was a work of Sherlock fanfiction though, I strongly suspect it has borrowed from this fandom as well.

So, so far, if there is a movie, I will likely want to see it, and I might also re-read the book straight after finishing it for the sake of all the details you inevitably miss on the first read-through.
majesticarky
Nov. 16th, 2015 07:47 pm (UTC)
Re: The Beginning & 11 years ago
I'm glad you like it a lot! I don't have much to say so far because there hasn't been a lot happening. They keep talking about the Apocalypse, but so far they're just gearing up for it and there is a lot of background. Actually my favorite part of the book so far has been the footnotes. I especially liked reading the part about the chattering sisters and the origins of that.
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kehlen_crow
Nov. 17th, 2015 08:48 pm (UTC)
Wednesday & Thursday
Will write this under a spoiler cut in case someone has not read these chapters yet.

[Here be spoilers]Still not much is happening, but I they manage to make it really rather funny.

Question, what was that sword War received? I don't know it's significance either, lol.

Favourite bit was both the angel and the demon realizing the have lost the Antichrist. It still makes me chuckle. And then they asking each other for asylum. And of course the lemon drop in the nuclear reactor <3.

So which came first, Harry Potter or Good Omens (seeing as Dumbledore is such a fan of these sweets)? It says in the preface the latter was out in 1990. Or are lemon drops just a favourite candy in England?
majesticarky
Nov. 24th, 2015 06:54 pm (UTC)
Re: Wednesday & Thursday
lol I don't think I've been paying attention to the schedule at all. I thought I was behind, so yesterday I read through Friday. Unfortunately, I have nothing positive to say D:. So I'll save it for my final review. It's a taste thing. It's why I've never read Discworld. I'm not a fan of humor/parody books. I just don't really find them funny, and when you tack on British humor on top of that... well... I'll see if there is anything I like in Saturday since it's about half the book. At least you like it!

Harry Potter came after Good Omens. I believe the first Harry Potter book came out in 1997 in England anyway, 1998 in the US.
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flurgh
Nov. 23rd, 2015 02:26 am (UTC)
I guess I need to find a hardcopy of the book at the library. I checked out an eBook & I'm not seeing any footnotes but I do see the marks for them in the text. I REALLY want to read about the Chattering Order.

I am enjoying the subtleties and humor. I like how it pokes at all the ridiculous things that we (humans, societies, etc) do. I was a little concerned at first that I wouldn't understand a lot of the biblical references but it hasn't been a problem.
kehlen_crow
Nov. 23rd, 2015 04:31 pm (UTC)
Interesting. I was not concerned about Biblical references at all (if I miss them then I miss them :) ). I was more concerned with the humor being to crass or too black, but it is not in most cases. It is often really funny.
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flurgh
Nov. 27th, 2015 04:45 am (UTC)
I have a very simple Kobo eReader so that could be the problem. Speaking of problems, I am on page 187 and I am VERY tired of this book.

I have read one of the Discworld books and I enjoyed it. That's probably because the world is completely different.

I have also read 3 of Neil Gaiman's other works and enjoyed 2 of them: The Ocean at the End of the Lane & Fortunately The Milk.

I thought Coraline was too predictable even though it is a children's book.
kehlen_crow
Nov. 30th, 2015 09:43 am (UTC)
Well, I hope you are able to suffer through it to the end (how many pages are there in your edition? 187 could be in the middle or near the very end, I have seen both), but if not then too bad for the book.

Your and Lisa's reactions are so different from mine, there are some pages that are sort of boring, but mostly, I enjoy it. I will even try to read something else by those authors afterward, even though I think I tried one of the Discworld novels and did not enjoy it, and I have not read anything at all by Neil Gaiman.
majesticarky
Dec. 2nd, 2015 06:43 am (UTC)
2nd half of book
Yeah overall I didn't like this book, bit I've already mentioned it's mostly a taste thing. For whatever reason, I am just not a fan of satire in novel form. It's why I'll never read a Discworld book.

So I especially didn't like the first half of Good Omens. There was a lot of nothing happening, background.... joke, parody... a little more background, more jokes, etc.

Second half wasn't too bad, but during the first half I would get so bored and space out that it took me a while to keep track of all the characters. At least there is that character summary at the beginning, I kept referring to that.

I ended up reading a summary of the book after I was done to try to figure out what I missed. I thought the relationship between newt and anathema was very cute. That was one part of the first half that I managed to retain. She was the descendant of Agnes who wrote the very accurate (and kinda useless) prophesies and she was one of the few ones who knew the apocalypse was about to happen. What I didn't get was the point of the Witchfinders. Why was Newt hanging around her to begin with? He seemed mostly useless lol.

Likewise, I thought the relationship between Crawly and Aziraphael to be kind of cute and amusing... how they were able to find common ground because they liked living on earth... liked their Bentleys and so forth. The baby switch thing was kinda interesting.... but Adam and his gang of "Them" didn't particularly hold my interest much.

It really is just hard to read something you find uninteresting when you have ADD because you find yourself retaining little because your mind is constantly wandering lol. Mostly a personal problem, but another thing that kept me from enjoying this book.

I'm mostly eager to start the next book. Iverall, I think Good Omens was ok, just not really my cup of tea. I'd have liked the book to be cut in half and minus all the jokes and poking fun at various things, but then I suppose it wouldn't really be the same book.
kehlen_crow
Dec. 4th, 2015 12:58 pm (UTC)
Re: 2nd half of book
I have accidentally found a gif of "Hastur climbing out of a phone" today (not really, lol): https://twitter.com/Learn_Things/status/537071573858263040 (warning, pretty nasty stuff).

Now to the book as a whole. I liked how they made fun of things, and I suspect there were a load more funny things that I did not understand, because they were obscure to me cultural references, but those that were funny were so without it being forced, at least in my opinion, and it's worth gold. (Unlike the forced British funnies like Mr Bin and also James Bond. Ugh. What's funny in those?)

I also think that as a whole, the book was ineffably pointless (because Anges' prophecies do little actual good save in specific instances, and because mortals forget/are not able to understand what they have seen when they encounter supernatural things, and maybe also because in the end it was made as if nothing had happened at all, and even those telephone ladies that Hastur killed in his escape from Crowley's ansaphone were revived).

But I really enjoyed all the details. I love details, maybe that is why it was "my" book.

I did not understand what Newt was doing in Tadfield, either. Or in the witch army at all. But I liked it, because so often you do things that just don't make sense, and these situations were shown very well in the book. And again, normally I would have found these descriptions boring, like you did, but somehow this book got through to me. Maybe it's just a taste thing.


I am sorry ADD makes it more difficult for you to keep track of boring stuff. Dealing with it is bad enough without it, when attention flounders.
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phenomenal
Dec. 29th, 2015 07:08 pm (UTC)
OK! I want to play. What's the next book? :D
kehlen_crow
Dec. 30th, 2015 07:41 pm (UTC)
We have decided to start in January, because majesticarky is off on vacation right now. You can choose one if you want, because we have both already done so!
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